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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Quintus Iulius Symphorianus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:08 pm

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Quintus Iulius Symphorianus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:18 pm

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Aulus Iunius Varro » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:34 am

I came here to announce my intention to run for the quaestor of the Roman Republic. I am a citizen of the Roman Republic from the first days of its existence, I am a taxpayer, I meet the requirements for this post. I do not know English well, I wrote this speech with the help of my friends and Google translator, but I have other useful qualities that will help the Roman Republic.
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Gaius Flavius Aetius » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:54 am

I do fully support every single word of Aula Flavia, especially about Roman virtues. It is a shame, that so many Quirites just don't know how to watch for what are they saying. All those unstopable insults are absolutely inappropriate. You better think what you can do with this. Hire a rhetor maybe?
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Quintus Vergilius Crassus » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:16 am

Quintus Iulius Symphorianus, you are generally normal, what are you doing? What are you allowing yourself? You do not like the lex, no problem, vote against it. But I did not understand who gave you the right to insult people? Yes, you apologized, but you in the same report again insulted other citizens - Phillipa. What did she deserve? She is a polite and courteous person. She insulted you? No. She by the way, a member of the Sarmatia Council. Do you know that this is the largest province in the Republic? How do you think this should be perceived as 50! man from the province of Sarmatia, then how do you unreasonably insult their representative? Are you all right? Someone insulted you here? No. So what are you doing? Do you have to answer for your actions, or do you think that the Internet gives you the right to say all kinds of disgusting things, attack entire groups of citizens, and not be responsible for your actions? And you want to become a magistrate? After all your actions, I'm not at all sure that you are worthy of this post in your qualities.
If someone will vote for you, then probably because he did not see your messages or did not understand what is written there.
Actions like yours have consequences, and they will follow, and this is not a threat, it is a statement of fact, like the law in physics.
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Quintus Iulius Symphorianus » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:13 pm

Alright so it is now clearly incumbent upon me to say something after being irresponsible, uncivil, unworthy of public office et al. Two key points must be made clear:

-- I did not and do not mean to insult anyone. Having been perceived as insulting the Legio XI I promptly apologised and I furthermore apologise if any Sarmatians feel offended.

-- I have no regrets whatsoever about calling Tiberia Salvia Alba an extortionist. Harsh? Absolutely. It should be.

If someone breaks into my home and when I go downstairs they are halfway out the front door carrying my television, they are a thief. To call them that is not an insult, it's a statement of fact. Likewise, calling T. Salvia Alba an extortionist is not a random insult I pulled from my tunica because I don't like her. I call her that because the threats she levied against this Comitia constitute extortion. That is and remains the driving point of everything I have posted after that point.

Whether or not it is popular isn't my concern. If every Sarmatian in the Republic loathes me and marks me as an enemy for calling out one of their one I'll still continue merrily on my way. This isn't because I hate anyone or because I'm trying to implement some esoteric personal goal; it's because at the end of the day I care much less about getting elected than I do about calling out someone trying to disrupt the legislative system.

To recap:

T. Salvia Alba's threat that the Legio XI will refuse and ignore any matter in the Republic unless the lex Flavia is passed is criminal, coercive, and extortionate. Pointing out that extorting the Republic does, in fact, make her an extortionist isn't an insult: it is a statement of fact. Should she or anyone feel otherwise I encourage them to exercise their legal rights and file a criminal complaint against me for character assassination.

If, in pointing that out, I torpedo my political career because Sarmatians like T. Salvia Alba and think I'm being too harsh against her, that is a consequence I am willing to suffer. So to answer the multiple people who have asked if I'm aware of the repercussions of my words: yes I am, and I'm fine with them.

I'm also pleased to note that in the time since I apparently upset 1/3rd of the Republic there has since been a deluge of Salvia Alba-friendly candidates for the Quaestorate. I'm glad that in destroying my own campaign I can inspire others to be involved in civic life <3

Valete,

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Lucius Aurelius Curio » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:53 pm

Curio Sal.

I would like to thank everyone who came out to announce their candidacy. I am very pleased with the turn out we have had for Quaestores and Curule Aediles. As many may have noticed, it has been a very contentious meeting, filled with heated tongues and harsh words from both sides. I would like to take this time to say a few words before moving this Assembly on to voting.

Lex Flavia has come out of the gate as a split lex, with some in favor and some not in favor. This is bound to happen from time to time. However, we should always keep our heads when debating such items. Many have expressed a view that the lex places too much into Provincia Sarmatia's Legio XI. Perhaps this is true. However, I myself voted in favor of this lex once already, based upon it's merit, not only now, but also in the future. For now, we have one established Legion amongst our ranks. This is Legio XI. We have a pre-made, pre-trained Legion ready. From a practicality standpoint, I believe it should be taken advantage of. Perhaps this lex places too much with them for now, but it can be modified later on to change that. Say, down the road, another province forms a Legion. We can modify Lex Flavia to incorporate this new Legion as well, adding it to the names of those who are official Roman Republic Legions.

I ask that everyone reads the Leges up for ratification, and thinks on the candidates up for election. Cast your votes with objectivity, decide if the leges are best for the RR or if the candidates are the best fits for the job at hand. Heed the council provided by this debate, but do not let it decide your vote alone. Instead, take it into consideration while you ponder on what you, the citizens of our esteemed Republic, believe is best for our future. This is now in the hands of the Comitia Tributa. I trust you will all make the best decision for the future of the Roman Republic.

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Я хотел бы поблагодарить всех, кто вышел, чтобы объявить о своей кандидатуре. Я очень доволен тем, что у нас были Quaestores и Curule Aediles. Как многие, возможно, заметили, это была очень спорная встреча, наполненная горячими языками и резкими словами с обеих сторон. Я хотел бы на этот раз сказать несколько слов, прежде чем переводить эту Ассамблею на голосование.

Лекс Флавия вышла из ворот в виде расколотого лекса, с некоторыми в пользу, а некоторые не в пользу. Время от времени это должно произойти. Однако при обсуждении таких вопросов мы всегда должны держать голову. Многие из них выразили мнение, что лекс слишком много вписывается в Legion XI Provincia Sarmatia. Возможно, это правда. Тем не менее, я сам проголосовал за этот лекс уже уже, основываясь на его достоинствах, не только сейчас, но и в будущем. Пока у нас есть один легион из наших рядов. Это Legio XI. У нас есть готовый, подготовленный Легион. С практической точки зрения, я считаю, что он должен быть использован. Возможно, этот лекс слишком много стоит с ними на данный момент, но впоследствии он может быть изменен, чтобы изменить это. Скажем, по дороге другая провинция образует Легион. Мы можем модифицировать Lex Flavia, чтобы включить этот новый Легион, добавив его к именам тех, кто являются официальными легионами Римской Республики.

Я прошу, чтобы все читали Leges для ратификации и думали о кандидатах на выборах. Измените свои голоса с объективностью, решите, лучше ли подходят для RR для RR, или если кандидаты лучше всего подходят для этой работы. Прислушайтесь к совету, предоставленному этими дебатами, но не позволяйте ему решать свой голос в одиночку. Вместо этого учтите это, размышляя над тем, что вы, граждане нашей уважаемой Республики, считаете, что лучше всего для нашего будущего. Теперь это находится в руках «Комиции Трибута». Надеюсь, вы все примите самое лучшее решение для будущего Римской Республики.

Valete Bene!

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Lucius Aurelius Curio » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:20 pm

Curio Sal.

The ballots have been sent out. If there is anyone who doesn't receive them, please let me know and I'll get the link to you.

BALLOT LINK IN CASE OF ERROR:

http://romanrepublic.org/civitas/welcom ... b7934eea80

The Rogator for this election shall be Quaestor Seneca, with myself verifying the results of the election.

There is to be no more debate or candidacy from this point forward.

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Publius Iunius Brutus » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:55 am

Ballots are out. If you have not received one in the mail, go here to vote:

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FYI: The voting periods ends Dec 4th.


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