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It's a shame

PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:29 am
by Tiberia Salvia Alba
Most likely this is my last post here.
I am outraged, I'm just damn unhappy because I found out that Brutus wants to unite with Nova Roma. I have nothing against Nova Roma, I have it`s citizenship, but I am indignant at what Brutus does and how.
Brutus, this is betrayal. You first disappeared for a year, suddenly appeared, destroyed the remnants of the Roman Republic, promised fairy prospects that should be realized already in July 2019, put your own people in key posts, changed everything, but in the end nothing happened, except that you ruined all hope of an objection. You destroyed what we did together, you lied and you betrayed those people who believed you. Yes, you didn’t even correct the mistake due to which two people cannot vote for TWO! years while paying taxes ...
I was literally devastated when I found out that you Brutus are starting negotiations with Nova Roma ... you asked our opinion, you found out the will of the citizens ... oh yes, I forgot, now we have a dictatorship, and you don’t even need to be formally interested opinion of citizens...
I am saddened by the fact that I and my teammates spent their time, energy and money on this project, and all that we did, you destroyed with one decision ... and for what? You didn’t keep your promise, and now realizing that you screwed up - you are running to Nova Roma????... it’s a disgrace to Brutus, and you look sorry, so sorry that I no longer want to deal with you, from the former Brutus with his Roman virtues and respect only a memory remains, because what you have been doing for the past six months is mean, vile, and unworthy.
As for Nova Roma, if they have few brains, they will refuse to Brutus your desire to connect with them, because you are Brutus left alone, and that bunch of people around you, whom you dragged to key positions, they are not even able to it turned out to create at least some illusion of activity ... The Roman Republic now is a project of one person - you Brutus, all the others have long been inactive. You scared everyone from yourself and from the Roman Republic, you lost, because in the end the project "Roman Republic" ended in failure, thanks exclusively to you. What you offer Nova Rome is a fake, you have nothing, and no one, you are alone, that’s the whole Roman Republic. The bunch of people you gathered, where are they? Where are they all these months? But what about their promises? And where are your plans implemented?
The whole Roman Republic is now you, your fantasies and your website with a forum that nobody except you absolutely needs. But you don’t have and you have lost the most important thing - people, without them there is no Republic, without people there is nothing at all, everything is dead and pointless, just like now in the Roman Republic. I hope Nova Roma will understand this before making any decisions on you.
I know that people from Nova Roma read us, so in the end I’ll leave a message for them on the forum, where for almost three months now no one has written:
1) Brutus has nothing, all he can give is a website and a forum and a treasury, without which Nova Roma lived before that and will be able to live. Moreover, the treasury of its obligations to citizens did not fulfill, which Brutus is silent about. The Roman Republic is no more, because there are no people who would constitute a popular community, only Brutus remains. Brutus is simply speculating in the name of the Roman Republic, he is trying to sell this spoiled product to you, Nova Roma, that's all. and this is not entirely fair trade. If you need the money - Brutus is a great solution, but then make him a sponsor, because he is not the head of any living community of the Roman Restoration.
2) If you are interested in real people and a living community of people, then you are better off contacting me, Flavius ​​Severus or Flavius ​​Celsus, because we are the only living community of people in the Roman Republic, some of us are citizens of Nova Roma (all of our leaders are citizens of Nova Roma), we did not support and do not support Brutus suicidal reforms, and we are ready for a dialogue on reintegration and return to Nova Roma, and we will conduct a dialogue separately from Brutus, as an independent party to the contract process. If you, like us, are ready for a dialogue, it would be great if your representative contacted us, we have to offer you as you to us, I am sure, here are our contacts:
- johanniter@yandex.ru - to contact with me
- usievalad@ya.ru or https://www.facebook.com/fra.reinbert - to contact with Flavius ​​Severus
- oliverair@yandex.ru or https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002373265091 - to contact with Flavius ​​Celsus
P.S. I think it would be better if you didn’t come back, Brutus, then there would be a good memory of you ... and now, at least I will remember you as a man who promised a lot, destroyed everything to the ground, did not keep the promise, having failed and not fulfilling promises behind our citizens ran to negotiate a merger with another organization ... you are pathetic.

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:15 pm
by Publius Iunius Brutus
Sal.

Talking never hurt anyone. The main person in NR who spread discord is dead. Sulla is dead.

Nothing is agreed upon. And it’s possible nothing will be. But talking with ppl that share similar goals and were also victims of Sulla is a good faith gesture. Will it bare fruit? Who knows. I go at it with both healthy caution and optimism.

If it does. Well I’m just one man. Nothing can be agreed upon alone or by me without the input of others in RR.

From my standpoint, I talk and I also continue to work towards launching our new online system as soon as possible. All the lictores and all the consular tribunes are in near daily contact on the present projects. I personally dedicate dozens of hours a month behind the scenes here. My objective remains the same, making manifest the Declaration. This is the reason for my labor.

Why is the relaunch taking a bit longer? Well firstly it’s a massive project. On the scale of building a house single handed. Because I am the person who holds the skills needed to program and coordinate the project. Because I am actually alone on that matter, progress on that front is dependent on me. So this relaunch is juggled between my responsibilities as a husband, father, physician with patients, and my students and research as a professor and my employees as a business owner. But progress is being made. The project will be completed, one way or another.

One of two outcomes will occur.

I. We relaunch with the most robust community building tools that any Roman group has ever seen. We launch a formal advertising campaign with our healthy treasury and grow exponentially.

II. We unite our community under conditions that keep our ideals intact. And the united entity has the most robust community building tools that any Roman group has ever seen. We launch a formal advertising campaign with our healthy treasury and grow exponentially.

Back in 2014 many didn’t take my statements about the RR being founded seriously. Disregard the above comments at your own discretion.

If this rational is not reasonable for you, and you wish to depart, then I do wish you the very best and hope to see you again when the dust settles. However, you may also use the mechanisms in place to remove me as a director / lictor and consul if I have lost the confidence of the res publica.

If despite all this you still wish to chart another path, then I would humbly accept a motion of no confidence in my abilities. I would then retire to my other responsibilities and provide the reigns of the Res Publica to those that can do better. I then would likely dedicate my spare time to CDR activities. I’m perfectly fine with this as well.

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:18 am
by Gaius Florius Lupus
Salvete Quirites,

Do not get irritated by this outrage message of always angry Salvia Alba! I fully support your plans, Brute. A reunification of the Roman world is the highest goal we can hope to work for. Without unification none of the various online community has any authority. It is the only way into the future.

Nova Roma needs modernized technology that we can offer. And we will benefit from the tradition of NR.

We are not a dead community, as Salvia Alba has proved herself with her message. And Sarmati is part of RR. NR will not negotiate with a single province. Even then Brutus is just working on a common meeting of all Roman communities, shich will give also give the Sarmatians an opportunity to speak for themselves. This unification goes far beyond just NR and RR.

I hold no office here in RR and therefore do not belong to the "inner circle", but I am very excited about Brutus' plans and fully support them, not out of a feeling of duty to support anything Brutus says (which I never did), but because his idea is amazing. A unification at this level is more than I ever hoped for.

Plurimas gratias tibi, Brute! You are making a dream coming true.

Valete!
C. Florius Lupus

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:30 pm
by Tiberia Salvia Alba
Brutus, I’ve heard about your great plans for several years, but where is the result? All that you are talking about is pointless, because in the end, the result of everything is pure zero. What difference does it make to me, how many times do you contact each other, or how much time do you spend on these projects, where are the results?
While you are making new plans, old problems have not yet been resolved. It worries me, not some ephemeral progress. Besides, I can’t understand what was the real need to dissolve our colleges, doing it unilaterally? Show your strength and power? I look at this desolation here on the forum, and I can’t understand why our colleges interfered with you, why dismiss them without consulting with us, people from these colleges? Why repeal family law?
You say one thing, and another thing happens, that’s what I’m talking about.
You already agree on the issues individually, such a proposal itself should be discussed, but you didn’t mention a word about it. When were you going to discuss this with the people? After the fact? This is really funny. Or it’s not funny if you see that activity is at zero, and there is no one left but you who are interested in the draft of the Roman Republic, but your negotiations mean that the Roman Republic will disappear. Is this not contrary to the declaration of foundation?
Who needs your online system? Seriously, to whom? This online system is only a means, not a goal, but the goals are recorded in the declaration, and where are the goals achieved from the declaration? Where is the result? All this is chatter. Years of chatter without results. How many real communities did the Roman Republic create? Zero. Isn't the current system enough to meet the needs of the Roman Republic? Who needs an online system if nobody will actually use it? You are building a luxury mansion when a small, reliable house is enough.
I was not led by your promises, I was led by the assurances of Flavius Severus that this is a promising project. But seeing the result of all this, I recall with anger the day when I agreed to all this. You know, people who in 2014 did not believe you and did not believe in you turned out to be absolutely right, because the result of your work was nothing, zero result, except that a number of people from your government lost my dignity in my eyes. This is a complete failure.
I don’t need to remind that I can leave, although I will not be surprised that with your autocratic decisions you will deprive me of citizenship, just as quickly and unexpectedly as you disbanded our colleges.
----Тalking never hurt anyone. The main person in NR who spread discord is dead. Sulla is dead.
Nothing is agreed upon. And it’s possible nothing will be. But talking with ppl that share similar goals and were also victims of Sulla is a good faith gesture. Will it bare fruit? Who knows. I go at it with both healthy caution and optimism.----
And I didn’t think that Sulla was the meaning of the Roman Republic, apparently even after death he leads the Roman world. That is, the Roman Republic was created because of Sulla? It's so interesting. But what about those who came to the Roman Republic not because of Sulla?
And where in our declaration it is written that our goal is to merge with other organizations, the sense seems to be that these organizations should be united on our basis, so that the Roman Republic continues to exist. Where did I miss that merging with Nova Roma is the goal of the Roman Republic? I don’t remember, but I signed the declaration.
Why are you going to hand over the Roman Republic to someone? You took responsibility, so answer to the end for what you did, or you will act like the last time, just disappear, forcing others to ruin the mess that you made?
Lupus, I'm not angry, I'm just talking about obvious things that everyone is silent about. Let Brutus answer why the violated rights of two citizens who paid taxes and could not vote were not resolved within two years? Let him answer why he ignores this problem, let him answer why, instead of solving this obvious and urgent problem, for which he is responsible, he did not solve, but instead deals with other things?

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:58 am
by Publius Iunius Brutus
Sal.

Talking means the RR will disappear? Nope. Big nope. Fantasy.

Let me tell you what talking has done.

It has led to a through analysis of the corporate quagmire NR is in. It has led to shared dialogue over financial positions of our organizations. NR’s isn’t good. And it have greatly clarified for our Consular Tribunes and Lictores the position of another organization and what the future looks like now that two very dismal figures are no longer relevant. NR has a lot of work to do before they are ready to fulfill the objectives we set out to achieve. And we now better understand what this work is required from NR and what preexisting conditions must be met if we ever did merging our interests. NR’s bylaws for instance would need a full reform etc. All of this is useful information for today and tomorrow. It hurts no one.

After spending a fair amount of time talking with NR, today I do not think a merger or change in our current relationship is likely. NR carries a ton of liability. It also is an organization that can’t agree on how to run itself let alone take on more responsibility via a merger. But we certainly both now know each other’s positions better. I would engage in such dialogue again if presented with the same circumstances.

The relaunch of our web resources will happen. As sure as the sun rising and setting. I stand by this relaunch as being a very critical event. The RR has at times struggled to build communities in less population dense North America where 75% of our most frequent visitors are from. The tools made will help bring people together in ways not previously possible. It will help Sarmatia too if you guys feel inclined to stick around and see it out. Your call. But I do challenge you to save your prior message. Come back in 9 months and tell me I was wrong and that this plan has hurt the RR. There will probably be a lesson to learn upon review. If I was wrong I will resign every position I hold in the RR...

On your concerns about past elections. Every magistrate had access to citizen contact information in 2018. Yourself included. If you feel an election was not up to standards then you and our colleagues had every chance to use an alternative method to hold an election. But this wasn’t needed. As no general election in a comitia was attempted in 2018. No ballots sent out - nothing. Every senior magistrate had the ability to send such things. Again a failing of the entire magisterial team in 2018. One made up by a majority of your colleagues.

You talk about how our current system is fine and I’m building a “mansion” then the next second critique the very digital system already developed as failing to deliver needs such as ballots... Odd. Bottom line, the old system was good but couldn’t handle over 600 citizens. The new system actually fixes the very things you complain about.

Again, if you disagree with these things, that’s fine. We will agree to disagree. In that case, dispose of me if s majority shares your views. I 100% believe the track we are on with the RR today will lead to something very special and needed. I think this present track patches up an admin system and operating procedure framework that was pretty good but was also limiting in many critical ways.

This will be the last I will write on this topic unless some new development emerges. Drafting further messages to this effect is time better spent on building a better RR behind the scenes. 100s of hours have been spent by the current magisterial team on making this organization the only one worth considering when investing ones time in an international Roman group. Several more hours of work do remain. We got work to finish and promises to stakeholders to fulfill. The days are only so long.

So I retire to that task.

Vale,

Brutus

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:35 am
by Tiberia Salvia Alba
--- Talking means the RR will disappear? Nope. Big nope. Fantasy. ---
Yeah, the merger of the Roman Republic and Nova Roma into one organization - Rome, would naturally entail the abolition of the Roman Republic, this is a legal fact. Why lie like that? Or did you say that after you and New Roma failed to merge into one organization?
--- Even then Brutus is just working on a common meeting of all Roman communities, shich will give also give the Sarmatians an opportunity to speak for themselves. ---
This is not true. Brutus and his people received the fullness of the executive, legislative, and judicial powers. Within the framework of the Roman Republic, we, the Sarmatians, cannot do anything, all legal mechanisms have been exhausted. Even our provincial collegia is destroyed. All that we did in the framework of this project is destroyed. Destroyed by Brutus and his successors, who have been feeding us promises for almost half a year, but really can’t do anything, negotiating a merger with other organizations behind our backs. Not a single Sarmatian is on the list of negotiators, which Brutus published. There are only Brut's minions.
--- If I was wrong I will resign every position I hold in the RR... ---
You already did when you ran away for a year. So what? What is the use of this? Will you give us back what is destroyed? Believe in you? Or what? It looks funny.
--- The new system actually fixes the very things you complain about. ---
Well, of course! It looks like a mockery. You were responsible for technical support, you did not correct these errors in time, you did not correct them until now. So why do we need a new system if you, namely you, could not ensure the functioning of the previous one? The problem was not in the system, the problem was in people who couldn’t corny fix a minor error for their personal reasons, and still haven’t bothered to do it, although this is your duty Brutus.
--- Without unification none of the various online community has any authority. ---
Well, Lupus, Brutus’s plan was expected to fail. Prior to this, your efforts in the field of unification on a religious basis also failed. How can you now justify Brutus' lack of democracy and the actual authoritarianism?
--- However, you may also use the mechanisms in place to remove me as a director / lictor and consul if I have lost the confidence of the res publica. ---
Oh yes, how could I forget. Is this your best argument? Because you and your friends have received all the power, so we have no one to appeal to, we can’t even put forward topics for voting in the Senate in accordance with the law, now only consular tribunes can do this, but these same consular tribunes are also senators and they vote in the Senate, they themselves propose topics for voting, and in addition, almost all consular tribunes also occupy all the dominant posts in the curia of lictors. In fact, this is a legal dictatorship, or authoritarianism, with authoritarianism with you at the head. All these events that you organize, polls, this is about a performance, with a well-known outcome, just a screen.
By the way, this is doubly funny to read, given that in the list of negotiators that you indicated in the commune about the merger, in the list of negotiators - lictors, there is not a single Sarmatian. I think this is very symbolic, because you not only threw the Sarmatians away from everywhere, you also deliberately exclude everything ... considering that we are the only organized majority, the way you treated our colleges, our representation in those or other republican institutions, then this can only be called deliberate actions on your part aimed at crowding us out altogether.
Apparently it will be easier for us to interact with Nova Roma than with the autocratic Roman Republic, headed by Tsar Brutus, probably there will be reckoned with our opinion. Moreover, they do not destroy the community of reenactors, but rather actively develop the direction of historical reconstruction.

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:24 am
by Tiberia Salvia Alba
I spent 10 minutes, and even with my poor English, I think that if my English were better, I would find more and more interesting, I just found this - the next promises of people who did not keep their past promises ... and no responsibility ... without fulfilling the old promises, these people begin to make new promises, and Brutus, as always, is hiding behind screenshots and hard work, it will be half a year soon, how this theater of the absurd continues:

--- Amice, bookmark this post. Come back in July and let’s see how things look. The present is actually the most exciting time to be involved in this organization as we are about to solve the gordian knot of Roman Restorationism community building at an international scale. ---
viewtopic.php?p=12769#p12769

This message was written in March, now it’s the end of August ... where is the result? There is no result, only new promises and authoritarian measures.

--- Towards this ends, we require help from experienced Latinists, reenactors, cultores and those who are amateur or professional historians or those who have experience in ancient Roman cultural restorationism. ---
viewtopic.php?p=12652#p12652

Well, how many responded? Apparently, the advisers helped a lot ... although no, because there is no sense how everything is destroyed.

--- A lot of thought and many minds have contributed to this plan. I’m convinced it will work and we will have an RR 10x stronger than ever. We have the ability to really change things here. ---
viewtopic.php?p=12769#p12769

Almost half a year has passed. Got better? That post was written in March. I think in February it was better than now in August ... but you can say anything, the main thing is to get votes while the votes were not with a predictable result ...

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:30 am
by Tiberius Terentius Varro
Salve Alba,

You seem really upset with the present course. I hope to alleviate some of your concerns.

A lot of work is going on that you do not see. Myself, I’m working very hard on writing a whole course for the CDR. I have access to the new web site Brutus talks about. It is very good. I can speak directly to the Academia Minervalis. It is going to change how people learn about the CDR. It stands to make a lot of things accessible from a participation and knowledge point of view.

Experts were also consulted. I know. I was one of them.

Just this week the Consular Tribunes spoke to Brutus about the time line on the release of the web site. We are targeting the end of September if no delays occur. It is important to understand the magnitude of the work being done by a team of volunteers. But rest assured, progress, good progress is being made.

Alba, why don’t you help us? You and your compatriots can design the Sarmatian portion of the web site. Personally, we all hear about your hard work in Sarmatia. But we can’t see it, or really understand what your province does at home. Why not put it all on display and update us regularly? Instead of casting stones let’s all start building our republic.

Let bygones be bygones, and move together into tomorrow.

TTV
Consular Tribune

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:57 am
by Tiberia Salvia Alba
--- Alba, why don’t you help us? You and your compatriots can design the Sarmatian portion of the web site. Personally, we all hear about your hard work in Sarmatia. But we can’t see it, or really understand what your province does at home. Why not put it all on display and update us regularly? Instead of casting stones let’s all start building our republic. ---
And why should I do this? We tried to do something, we developed the military-historical component, and so what? You destroyed everything. Our collegium of reenactment is destroyed, the collegium of our province is destroyed, the collegium of Mithraists is destroyed. You do not see our undertakings because you, Maybe not specifically you (I don’t know you), but Brutus and his minions are for sure, destroyed them yourself. Where are the guarantees that having spent our efforts, all our undertakings will not be destroyed again?
Brutus and his friends from the comitia curiata showed everyone a great example of how easily they can destroy everything that people worked on. This is truly an amazing example of the fact that there are no guarantees or principles in this project.

Re: It's a shame

PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:56 pm
by Gaius Florius Lupus
Salvete!

Salvia Albia has a point here, I have to admit. A lot of things here are indeed decided without consultation of the citizens. I also complained about this apparent lack of democracy in an earlier thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2450
Nevertheless I think you should not give up on the Republic yet, Salvia. We should first see, which shape the new online community takes. The sale of citizen rings for example sounds like a great idea (which I also suggested quite some time ago). It really looks like Brutus has some great plans in store for us.
However, once the new system is established, we have to rethink the way how decisions are made here. And this reform has to be done without the usual bureaucracy and without the inflexible structures of the Comitia Curiata and the Senate. Every citizen needs to be heard. Salvia Albia's concerns are justified and she voices the opinions of the important Sarmatian province.
A living and breathing community needs the equal participation of all members, especially after our bad experience with elected magistrates who have shown only negligence and incompetence after their election.

Valete!
Florius Lupus