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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Tiberius Iulius Nerva » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:09 am

Tiberius Flavius Nerva wrote:The People and the Senate of Rome, I, Tiberius Flavius Nerva, stand for the post of quaestor of the Roman Republic.

I am a citizen of the Roman Republic for a long time. I became a citizen in the early days of the Republic. All this time I silently observed what was happening, however, the recent events led me to the conclusion that I should engage in public activities, show my civil position. The speech of Proconsul and Senator Titus Flavius Severus convinced me of this, however, the last straw was the inappropriate criticism from the quaestor Seneca.

I fully comply with the requirements for the post of quaestor of the Roman Republic.

I am a member of the Mitra Cult, I am a member of the 11th Legion, in addition I have quite good knowledge of Roman history, I have been engaged in historical reenactment for many years, besides, I am engaged in educational programs for children in the field of history and historical reenactment. I do not know very well English. I use online translators. I got education in finance and marketing.


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I will vote for you. Guess why :D

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Lucius Aurelius Curio » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:14 am

Thank you to everyone who has come out so far! I would like to take this time to remind everyone that candidacy/ debate time is over on the 26th. So if you're planning to run, or would like to say your piece on Lex Cispia-Furia or Lex Flavia, please do so before the 27th of November.
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:52 am

Salvete Cives

We are still in need of candidates.

At this point there are three candidates for the two Curule Aedile positions, but only five for the six Quaestor positions.

Standing for Curule Aedile are:
Aula Flavia Philippa,
Gaius Cominius Laenas, and
Gaius Flavius Aetius

Standing for Quaestor are:
Lucius Flavius Avitus,
Tiberius Iulius Nerva,
Octavius Aburnius Gracilis,
Tiberius Flavius Nerva,
Quintus Iulius Symphorianus, and
YOU?

I appeal to the Citizens of our Republic. A republic is not a Republic unless it is supported by active citizens. Your participation in the guiding and creation of foum life is needed for this Republic to succeed.

Come out from among the shades.
Run for office.
Live the duty of a Roman Citizen

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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Tiberia Salvia Alba » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:04 am

«Many of the objections of L. Livius Seneca are completely valid IMO -- I have no personal differences with the Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis, but I firmly oppose elevating any already privately-established collegium in the manner prescribed by the proposed law. Any military organisation representing the res publica as a whole needs to be built from the ground-up rather than promoting an already-established organisation.»
Вы до этого сказали, что не разбираетесь в местных политических механизмах, однако, если поддерживаете то, что говорит квестор Сенека, то на каком основании вы это делаете? Или вы тоже согласны, что какая-то часть Республики это банда наемников, кучка актеров? Как вы не можете понять, что этот закон не основывает никаких коллегий, тем более никаких частных коллегий. У нас есть отдельных закон о коллегиях, и он не имеет отношения к тому закону, который мы сейчас обсуждаем. И второе, если Вы хотите что-то строить, Вам нужен фундамент. Фундамент это 11й легион, потому больше в Республике нет никого, кто вообще разбирается в этом вопросе. Если вы будете строить без фундамента, то вся эта задумка просто рухнет, то есть цель не будет достигнута. Вы этого хотите? Меня искренне удивляет то, как люди, которые не будут участвовать в этом проекте, критикуют то, чем они не будут заниматься. Посмотрите на Collegium Militarum, она мертва, потому что у неё нет базы, никто кроме 11го легиона не интересуется исторической реконструкцией. Я вам гарантирую одно, если 11й Легион не станет базой военной составляющей Республики и этот закон не будет принят, то мы, 11й Легион, будем сознательно игнорироровать любую инициативу в Римской Республике, занимайтесь своими мертвыми проектами и коллегиями по исторической реконструкции без нас, «банды наемников» и «актеров».
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Quintus Iulius Symphorianus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:15 pm

Tiberia Salvia Alba wrote:«Many of the objections of L. Livius Seneca are completely valid IMO -- I have no personal differences with the Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis, but I firmly oppose elevating any already privately-established collegium in the manner prescribed by the proposed law. Any military organisation representing the res publica as a whole needs to be built from the ground-up rather than promoting an already-established organisation.»
Вы до этого сказали, что не разбираетесь в местных политических механизмах, однако, если поддерживаете то, что говорит квестор Сенека, то на каком основании вы это делаете? Или вы тоже согласны, что какая-то часть Республики это банда наемников, кучка актеров? Как вы не можете понять, что этот закон не основывает никаких коллегий, тем более никаких частных коллегий. У нас есть отдельных закон о коллегиях, и он не имеет отношения к тому закону, который мы сейчас обсуждаем. И второе, если Вы хотите что-то строить, Вам нужен фундамент. Фундамент это 11й легион, потому больше в Республике нет никого, кто вообще разбирается в этом вопросе. Если вы будете строить без фундамента, то вся эта задумка просто рухнет, то есть цель не будет достигнута. Вы этого хотите? Меня искренне удивляет то, как люди, которые не будут участвовать в этом проекте, критикуют то, чем они не будут заниматься. Посмотрите на Collegium Militarum, она мертва, потому что у неё нет базы, никто кроме 11го легиона не интересуется исторической реконструкцией. Я вам гарантирую одно, если 11й Легион не станет базой военной составляющей Республики и этот закон не будет принят, то мы, 11й Легион, будем сознательно игнорироровать любую инициативу в Римской Республике, занимайтесь своими мертвыми проектами и коллегиями по исторической реконструкции без нас, «банды наемников» и «актеров».


Salve domina. As I don't speak Russian (or, indeed, any Slavic tongue) and as I couldn't read Cyrillic if you put a gun to my head I'm afraid your response is quite lost upon me.
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:30 pm

Salvete Cives,

For anyone who wishes to participate in the Russian-English conversation, I commend Google Translate at https://translate.google.com/m/translate.

The above is then
You said before that you do not understand local political mechanisms, but if you support what the Seneca ques- tionor says, then on what basis do you do this? Or do you also agree that some part of the Republic is a gang of mercenaries, a bunch of actors? How can you not understand that this law does not establish any colleges, especially no private colleges. We have a separate law on collegia, and it has nothing to do with the law that we are now discussing. And second, if you want to build something, you need a foundation. The foundation is the 11th legion, therefore there is no one else in the Republic who is at all familiar with this issue. If you build without a foundation, then this whole idea will simply collapse, that is, the goal will not be achieved. Do you want that? I am genuinely surprised at how people who do not participate in this project criticize what they will not do. Look at Collegium Militarum, she's dead, because she does not have a base, no one except the 11th legion is interested in historical reconstruction. I guarantee you one thing, if the 11th Legion does not become the base of the military component of the Republic and this law will not be adopted, then we, the 11th Legion, will deliberately ignore any initiative in the Roman Republic, deal with our dead projects and colleges for historical reconstruction without us, "the gangs mercenaries "and" actors "


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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Quintus Iulius Symphorianus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:04 pm

You said before that you do not understand local political mechanisms, but if you support what Seneca says, then on what basis do you do this?

I thought I was pretty clear regarding why I agree with Seneca.

Or do you also agree that some part of the Republic is a gang of mercenaries, a bunch of actors?

No I don't, but based on your threats perhaps 'gang of extortionists' would not be entirely unfair.

How can you not understand that this law does not establish any colleges, especially no private colleges. We have a separate law on collegia, and it has nothing to do with the law that we are now discussing.

Funnily enough, I am aware of that. In fact that is why I oppose the law to begin with. Because I do not and will not support taking a collegium and granting it exclusive powers as an organ of the state. Not because I have anything against the legion but rather because I am uncomfortable with arbitrarily promoting and empowering a collegium.

And second, if you want to build something, you need a foundation. The foundation is the 11th legion, therefore there is no one else in the Republic who is at all familiar with this issue. If you build without a foundation, then this whole idea will simply collapse, that is, the goal will not be achieved. Do you want that? I am genuinely surprised at how people who do not participate in this project criticize what they will not do. Look at Collegium Militarum, she's dead, because she does not have a base, no one except the 11th legion is interested in historical reconstruction.

Then the Legio is more than welcome to help. However the answer to dormant interest in military reenactment is not "suddenly promote the Legio to an exclusive position representing the entire Republic." As well I question as to why it is apparently vital that we basically subsidise a specific aspect of Romanitas and arbitrarily drum up interest in it. If the Legio is the only one interested in historical reenactment that isn't some kind of problem we have to fix -- it just is what it is. The Republic is not obligated to support reenactment if there is no wide interest in it, and if there is interest in it the Republic is not obligated to aggrandise and promote that interest.

I guarantee you one thing, if the 11th Legion does not become the base of the military component of the Republic and this law will not be adopted, then we, the 11th Legion, will deliberately ignore any initiative in the Roman Republic, deal with our dead projects and colleges for historical reconstruction without us, "the gangs mercenaries "and" actors "

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I am completely mystified as to why you think that I or anyone else should care. If the Legion thinks that the best way to get what it wants is to throw a tantrum and storm out the door the moment we don't bend over backwards for it then I really don't see why we would want the Legion in the first place. The Roman Republic was not established in order to cater to the whims of the Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis and threats are certainly not going to change that. Either the Legio accepts its position as a part of a wider Roman nation -- and subsequently realises and accepts that it will not always get what it wants -- or it does not. And if it doesn't, I think the Legio will be in for a rude awakening when it is made clear that we can get along just fine without it.

Furthermore, unless T Flavius Severus in his position as Tribunis laticlavus of the Legio does not immediately disavow and condemn the threats made by T Salvia Alba I would encourage all citizens of the Republic, whatever their stance on or interest in military reenactment, to vote antiquo in regards to the Lex Flavia solely on that account alone. Of course I trust that Domina Alba does not speak for the entire Legio XI Pia Claudia Fidelis when she levels such threats but it is extremely important that this be confirmed by the Legio itself.
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Aula Flavia Philippa » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:06 pm

Quintus Iulius Symphorianus, you are wrong, objectively speaking, you should not have interfered in this discussion until you understood the basic principles of the work of the institutions of the Republic.In this your phrase clearly shows that you do not understand what you criticize, but continue to criticize:

Funnily enough, I am aware of that. In fact that is why I oppose the law to begin with. Because I do not and will not support taking a collegium and granting it exclusive powers as an organ of the state. Not because I have anything against the legion but rather because I am uncomfortable with arbitrarily promoting and empowering a collegium.


If you had bothered to learn more about the Republic, you would have learned that there have long been collegia performing state functions, here's one for example: http://romanrepublic.org/civitas/joint_ ... reasury/39

Although, following your words, you are a fundamental opponent of the foundations of this Republic. Do you know why? The fact is that in the future two collegia should be created: the Pontifex Collegium and the Augur Collegium. As in ancient Rome, these colleges will be the same foundations of the state, and will obey the same law on collegia. But these collegia, especially the Collegium of the Pontiffs, will receive exclusive powers as an organ of the state. Will you oppose them?

'gang of extortionists'


With this phrase you showed that you continue to escalate the conflict. From the example of the Seneca quaestor, you did not draw any conclusions.

I am completely mystified as to why you think that I or anyone else should care.


You say so, because you do not know the current situation. However, smart people would not throw such words and judgments. Firstly, you should go to the section of collegia and see how many people are in the 11th Legion, then you should have looked at how many people are in other collegia. It would be nice to remember that if you going to an elected office, you should be interested in the opinion of the people, and you in your own words show disrespect to a significant number of voters - people from the 11th Legion. But in addition to the 11th Legion, there is also the Factio Russata, this is in general the most active political force of the Republic. At the beginning of your political career, you do not need to set yourself against a significant part of the people, it's wrong.
If you want to defend your point of view, do it, it's laudable, but such attacks as 'gang of extortionists' are unacceptable. We already had an incident with Camillus, but apparently this has taught no one anything.
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Gaius Flavius Iustinus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:50 pm

I, Gaius Flavius Justin, are running for the post of quaestor of the Republic.

I will say briefly, I am young and energetic, I meet all the necessary requirements, which are presented to the post of quaestor of the Roman Republic. I know a little English, so I'm sure I can find a common language with anyone.

Vote for me because I'm not just good, but I'm also an experienced historical reenactor, and just a kind Roman citizen.
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Re: COMITIA TRIBUTA SESSION V - IN SESSION (19 NOV - 04 DEC)

Postby Gaius Flavius Iustinus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:02 pm

Quintus Iulius Symphorianus wrote:based on your threats perhaps 'gang of extortionists' would not be entirely unfair


But this somehow really sounded rude. This is already too much. I'm not talking about the law of the Flavians, your disputes, these are your disputes, but when you talk like that ... I think you crossed the line, and rudely responded to at least about three dozen people, are not you ashamed? I see you for the first time, and you already carried me in absentia to the "gang of extortionists." With a single phrase you spat on the honor and pride of thirty people ... well, did you not think about the consequences?
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