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Re: The Future

Postby Tiberia Salvia Alba » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:29 pm

Мой английский не так хорош, и я могу что-то не понять, но я не вижу ни одной причины, почему организация должна быть перерегистрирована в США. Я уверена, что есть и другие страны, с хорошими условиями для НКО. Сейчас сложная ситуация в мире, и Канада хороший компромиссный вариант для регистрации организации. Из-за событий произошедших и происходящих в мире к организациям зарегистрированным в США довольно неоднозначное отношение, тем более, к дочерним организациям американских НКО. Сарматия включает две страны - Украина и Россия. Если на Украине отношение к американским НКО благоприятное, то в России отношение негативное. Такова реальность и мы не можем повлиять на течение мировой политики.
Поэтому, когда кто-то предлагает что-то кардинально менять, я имею в виду место регистрации организации, то я бы предложила ему задуматься о последствия и просчитать ВСЕ варианты, заблаговременно.
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Re: The Future

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:33 pm

Salvia Alba has a point here. As mentioned before, countries consider themselves sovereign entities. The laws regulating NPOs in Canada are irrelevant for citizens in other jurisdictions.
I do not know that much about non-profit corporation as Seianus obviously does. I can understand that since most US states are provinces, it might not be a good idea to setup a corporation in each state. Seianus made some good arguments here.
But the provinces could be organized into bigger jurisdictions, like one corporation for all of the US, one for all of the EU, one for all of Canada etc. Historically Emperor Diocletianus also organized several provinces into bigger entities, so called dioeceses headed by a vicarius. and three dioceses were grouped into praefecturae praetoriae.
This seems to be a reasonable approach, because it is the way how the Church is organized too. And they must have good reasons for it.

If we eliminate the corporation for the top level of the Republic, we would free our organizations from all restrictions of national laws and could follow the Mos Maiorum according to ancient traditions. The current corporation can simply be converted into the corporation of the province or dioecesis (or whatever you want to call it) of Canada. The corresponding share of the treasury can be transferred to the other NPOs of the other provinces. Tax collection could be relegated to the provincial level, as it was in ancient Rome, and the system would become fairer. Every province could decide what is the appropriate amount of taxes depending on local projects and events. Why should a citizen in Samartia pay for a project in the US and vice versa, if he will never be able to participate there?
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Re: The Future

Postby Quintus Vergilius Crassus » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:46 pm

Greetings. Alba and Lupus say good. We depend from politic in Earth. Canada is good for registration. Dioeceses and Praefecturae praetoriae also good as form to adopt nation registration, but not so good for Roman Repablic model, because we use model of Late Republic and Pricipate (in reconstruction), and what say Lupus it is a dominate era.
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Re: The Future

Postby Marcus Aurelius Seianus » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:17 pm

The reason I stated for an incorporation into America was not because of American globalization as referenced earlier, or because I am trying to impose the American way upon people. It was simply from the fact that I know how to write grants, I know the vast abundance of grants, and that said grants can only be distributed to American entities. Now, since the consensus is to remain as a Canadian NPO, who will head up this endeavor. How will step forward to research the grants and write the grants on behalf of our organization? Which individual will bear this burden, and it is a burden. Which of our esteemed individuals here is versed in the grant writing process?

Master Lupus' idea holds merits, but also a potential set back or perhaps problem. Each time we divest our interests, we run the risk of those organizations rising up, and going their own way. If Province "A" for example has a grant writer, and invests their time into getting funding for their own province (being that each province would in essence be its own entity) this province could begin to flourish. As membership grows, it could create enmity from pettier individuals from provinces that do not share similar freedoms. Province "A" could begin to move away from the RR as it has become more stable and secure. Currently, as pointed out, the entire RR treasury sits at only $3000. Province "A" is granted an educational grant of $15000 (and trust me, there are lots of small grants around the $15000-$25000 mark), meaning it has 5X the amount of revenue as the RR. That money has been distributed to Province A NPO and can not be re-allocated to another entity, especially one outside the US. Simple fact, thats the law, thats how it works. Another potential issue is Provinces competing against each other for grants. Province "A" and Province "B" both apply for same grant, but "A" wins out, it could potentially cause enmity again. Too many hands spoil the broth.

In closing, I see that incorporating into the US is not a viable option, as pointed out by so many individuals. Its quite sad honestly, that the only people who have weighed in on this matter are non-Americans. I would like to add one last point, concerning Mistress Alba and her anti-American rant. Comments such as yours do nothing for our organization. If you have anti-American sentiments, so be it, keep them to yourself. This is an organization for Roman Restorationism, not geo-political rhetoric.
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Re: The Future

Postby Tiberia Salvia Alba » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:45 pm

Сеян, у нас с Вами есть языковая проблема, я не уверена, что до конца поняла Ваше сообщение, а Вы поняли моё. У меня совершенно нет никаких анти-американских, или каких-то других "анти-" настроений. Дело в другом, я попросила Вас подумать о том, что Ваше решение, кроме блага для отдельных людей, может нести существенные проблемы. К сожалению, мы заложники наших стран и правительств, и когда вы решаете зарегистрировать организацию в США, я просто констатирую факт, что у самой большой провинции в Римской Республике будут проблемы. И это не потому что у нас какие-то проблемы с американцами, а у нас с ними, это потому что у наших правительств, друг с другом есть проблемы, но я живу здесь и сейчас, я отвечаю за моих людей, я не могу соглашаться с тем, что плохо для тех, кто мне доверился. Я никого ни в чем не обвиняю, я прошу подумать о том, какие последствия несут ваши решения.
Сеян, как я вижу, вы хороший юрист, тогда почему вы не разработаете схему, когда местные подразделения - провинции, будут выгодно существовать, перераспределяя гранты и доходы? Я не могу поверить, что если вы зарегистрируете в США часть Римской Республики, мы не сможем решить этот вопрос. Мы все римляне, мы должны думать, как помочь друг другу, а не как ухудшить наше положение.
Я такая же гражданка Римской Республики, как и вы, но я не прошу зарегистрировать организации в России или Беларуси, потому что я думаю о всех, не только о Сарматах. Для нас, славян, это будет удобно, для всех остальных плохо. То есть, я не предлагаю это, потому что думаю о всех, не только о Сарматах, поэтому и вас я прошу, предлагая что-то, учитывайте интересы всех римлян, не только римлян из США.
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Re: The Future

Postby Sextus Decius Mus » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:17 am

Marcus Aurelius Seianus wrote:The reason I stated for an incorporation into America was not because of American globalization as referenced earlier, or because I am trying to impose the American way upon people. It was simply from the fact that I know how to write grants, I know the vast abundance of grants, and that said grants can only be distributed to American entities. Now, since the consensus is to remain as a Canadian NPO, who will head up this endeavor. How will step forward to research the grants and write the grants on behalf of our organization? Which individual will bear this burden, and it is a burden. Which of our esteemed individuals here is versed in the grant writing process?

Master Lupus' idea holds merits, but also a potential set back or perhaps problem. Each time we divest our interests, we run the risk of those organizations rising up, and going their own way. If Province "A" for example has a grant writer, and invests their time into getting funding for their own province (being that each province would in essence be its own entity) this province could begin to flourish. As membership grows, it could create enmity from pettier individuals from provinces that do not share similar freedoms. Province "A" could begin to move away from the RR as it has become more stable and secure. Currently, as pointed out, the entire RR treasury sits at only $3000. Province "A" is granted an educational grant of $15000 (and trust me, there are lots of small grants around the $15000-$25000 mark), meaning it has 5X the amount of revenue as the RR. That money has been distributed to Province A NPO and can not be re-allocated to another entity, especially one outside the US. Simple fact, thats the law, thats how it works. Another potential issue is Provinces competing against each other for grants. Province "A" and Province "B" both apply for same grant, but "A" wins out, it could potentially cause enmity again. Too many hands spoil the broth.

In closing, I see that incorporating into the US is not a viable option, as pointed out by so many individuals. Its quite sad honestly, that the only people who have weighed in on this matter are non-Americans. I would like to add one last point, concerning Mistress Alba and her anti-American rant. Comments such as yours do nothing for our organization. If you have anti-American sentiments, so be it, keep them to yourself. This is an organization for Roman Restorationism, not geo-political rhetoric.


I understand your argument. I think we should further explore other incorporation options. No harm in such exploration.

We must be utilitarian and remember we are all here as Romans. Who cares where we incorporate as long as the Republic benefits.

You speak of grants. We certainly should explore such things. Can you give examples of the grants you are thinking of? I have no doubt that such applications are rigorous and time consuming to prepare. You also may be the most experienced in this matter? Why not run for the aedileship? This will give you the opportunity to press this matter and use your experience would it not?
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Re: The Future

Postby Spurius Iuventius Catulus » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:24 pm

Just to touch on a couple of points as someone who is currently in his first term as a governor in my province:

- We can create provincial web pages. In fact, I'm waiting to hear back about how to create/update one for Missuria.

- I would favor a shift toward provincial subfora without the requirement of using the collegia system. These could exist with or without a procurator, and would encourage localized conversation even without local infrastructure (which, in turn, could easily lead to the formation of same). This is something I'm looking into bringing to the Senate when I have time to craft a proposal.

- One of my first acts in my position was to reach out via the messaging system to everyone in my province to try and find out what their interests are, and how I can serve. As yet I haven't heard back from any of them, but with each new arrival, I send a message. I'm also working on activities that I can let them know about. Even if it's only me participating, it's still activity. As for recruitment, I'm in the process of developing some materials, but was hoping to have some infrastructure together first.

- I'm not sure it's practical in the US to incorporate provinces instead of incorporating nationally and then managing provinces internally, mainly because our provinces in many cases include multiple states. Other regions may have a different experience.

- Living History for Rome may not be in high demand in schools, as ancient history isn't always on the curriculum prior to high school or college, but I may be underestimating possible interest.

- I know there was talk of merchandise within the last couple of months. I would also be interested in pursuing this, and willing to invest time in making it happen.
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