PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Comitia Curiata meeting (Session IV)

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PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Comitia Curiata meeting (Session IV)

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:53 pm

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In accordance with our Mos Maiorum, I hereby open this public space for the citizenry to debate, if they so wish, this fourth session of the Comitia Curiata.

Your participation is valuable and I urge all citizens follow the Comitia Curiata Proceedings at the link below and to speak their minds in this thread on any item they wish!

The Comitia Curiata http://www.romanrepublic.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=11 proceedings may be viewed by all logged in Citizens.

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Re: PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Comitia Curiata meeting (Session IV)

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:55 pm

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To Add to Bylaws: When an edict becomes part of the Mos Maiorum, it should get redesignated from 'EDICT ...' to 'MOS ...' and a tracking history attached as to were it came from. A separate Mos Index should be added to the magistrates page similar to the magistrates Edict Index for these redesignate Mos.

Wish List: Besides having edicts and mos spread around the government's magistrate listings, it would be nice to have one centralized Index (individual links for each with title) of Lex, Mos, & Edicts.

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Re: PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Comitia Curiata meeting (Session IV)

Postby Tiberius Cilnius Maecenas » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:41 am

Agreed, the Praetors in general really need to update the laws on the website.
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Re: PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Comitia Curiata meeting (Session IV)

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:07 am

Salvete magistrati et quirites!

All these enactments of leges, mores maiorum and edicta seem not to be in accordance with our declaration. I would like to quote
Keeping this in mind, the Res Publica Romana pledges to restore Roman culture and religion as accurately as possible using the best available and reliable academic evidence. Furthermore, when new evidence becomes available it is to be incorporated into practices whenever possible. When exact practices are unknown, not practical, or only partially understood the most accurate academic sources shall be used to supplement an approximate, well researched and plausible alternative. If more accurate information is obtained or other obstacles surmounted at a later date then the most historically accurate practices should take precedence if compatible with the other elements of this declaration


If we assume that "culture" also includes laws and procedures of the Republic, then the sole source of leges and mores is the historical evidence that we have from ancient Rome. I do not think that the Declaration permits that our institutions enact their own arbitrary laws, which are not in accordance with ancient Roman practices. The Declaration allows only to fill the gaps of our historical knowledge with own regulations.

There are several examples where our current practices clearly violate historical sources.
The lictores for example were not organized in a comitia curiata, but in a collegium, because they were simply a body of guards for the magistrates, not politicians.
Legati were named by the senate, not by governors and certainly not by a simple procurator. Governors were former consuls and praetors by the way and not appointed citizens of the corresponding province.

The exponential growth of our laws and regulations is getting a little bit out of hand. We should focus on the restoration of ancient Roman law, the Twelve-Table-Law, the edicts of the ancient consuls and emperors for example and define to which extent they can be applied instead of getting creative with own laws.
Enacting laws should be subject to historical research not our own politics.

The Declaration that we have all signed at the foundation of our Republic should not be forgotten or ignored.

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Re: PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Comitia Curiata meeting (Session IV)

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:22 pm

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The agenda item Session IV - Item III Amendment of the Bylaws: Creation of Mos Maiorum has been withdrawn. There is an additional thread on this Mos Maiorum proceedings at: http://www.romanrepublic.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1506.

The Curiatia Session IV has been extended and the discussions will continue until Jan 7. Voting is to conclude by Jan 17, 2017, but is likely to finish sooner.

The following agenda items are still to be voted on:

Session IV - Item I Annual Financial Statement / Proposed Budget for L. Curtio L. Aurelio cos.(2017)
Session IV - Item VIII Setting the dates for movable festivals / Feriae Conceptivae
Session IV - Item IX Appointing provisional sacerdos & augures
Session IV: Item II (Subcommittee for the Creation of the CP)
Session IV: Item IV (Budget for Consul Philo)

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