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On the Mos Maiorum

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On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Caeso Cispius Laevus » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:59 pm

Sal.

Earlier this month an attempt to implement a mos maiorum within the RR was rejected by the citizens.

See the old discussion here -

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1494

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1506

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1488

I would like to discuss here in this group how the mos maiorum should be approached within the RR. How should it be implementmented? Would it provide for a more flexible set of customary rules? Should we even attempt such a system?

I feel having a working mos maiorum could increase the efficiency and scope of our operations. But it would need to be implemented in a careful way with checks and balances.

I hope we can discuss this idea here.
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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:03 pm

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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Caeso Cispius Laevus » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:05 pm

Sal.

So how does the mos maiorum work relative to what you describe?
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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Numerius Antonius Paullus » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:10 pm

Salvete Omnes

The way I have always seen the Mos Maorium was very simple. I break it down to two sections.

I. Don't be a phallus. As in if you wouldn't do it in front of your (insert innocent and pure person or title here) don't do it here.

II. If it is something that needs doing. The senate can do it. If there is an issue there can be debate and end in either an edictum or a lex if necessary.

Thus is my two denarii on the subject.

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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:11 pm

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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:18 am

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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:07 pm

Salvete omnis

The internet is full of articles on the Mos Maiorum as Kaster's on 'Roman Values and Virtues' https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/def ... ster_0.pdf and separately, in response to what it is not, https://idaostenberg.com/2014/10/18/wha ... s-maiorum/

However, why not read what someone who knew first hand, M. Tullis Cicero, had to say about it. In his De Officiis, 'On Duty' if you search in the Latin text for 'mos' & 'mor' you will find 31 references in Liber I alone. (then look up the paragraph number in a translated version).

You will find a range from honoring promises of protection to vanquished foe to the one in Liber I, paragraph 129 (last paragraph of XXXV): Scaenicorum quidem mos tantam habet vetere disciplina verecundiam, ut in scaenam sine subligaculo prodeat nemo; verentur enim, ne, si quo casu evenerit, ut corporis partes quaedam aperiantur, aspiciantur non decore. - basically 'one of the actor's Mos is to wear underwear when going on stage so that he might not become indecorous.'

I would also heed paragraph 33 of Liber I, "summum ius summa iniuria" - 'more laws less justice'.

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Re: On the Mos Maiorum

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:28 pm

So basically Mos is custom. Mos Maiorum would be the customs of the higher ones (the ancestors) and the State.
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