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Bylaws of the Collegium

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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:43 pm

I agree with Lupus. Sincerely I think this question has dragged on for a long time and it seems a bit of an over complication of something simple. By that I mean no disrespect to the latinists of our community. Lupus just presented an argument better based so far. I have yet to see any good amount of evidance pointing at collegiarus as the norm...
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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:45 am

Salvete Collegiarii

It's time to settle this. Begging the Modertors' benevolent acquiescence, I put before the Collegium the proposal to use 'Collegiarius' for 'member' of the Collegium. Please vote:
1. Uti Rogas - for the use of 'Collegiarius' for 'member'
2. Antiquo - for the use of 'Collega' for 'member'
3. Abstineo - for don't care.

In the Roman tradition, a tie vote will be counted as 'Antiquo'.

After this is settled, the otherwise corrected bylaws will be set before the collegium for a final look and then a vote.

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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Lucia Horatia Adamas » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:48 am



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Well, since we now have to vote on this…Minerva sapientiam in nos infundat. In tabellá meá scribo 'V,' id est, VTI ROGAS. I would be perfectly happy with 'socius / socia,' meaning a member of a learnèd society, or sodalis, a member of any type of society, but 'collega' carries implications that go beyond membership in a discussion group, aka a special interest group. This word is derived from 'con / cum' + 'lego,' more or less 'one selected along with.' The OLD lists it as being applied to a fellow member of a political office or of a priestly one; secondarily, it is a colleague or associate in an unofficial capacity. Here we have common interests, but are not true colleagues, so I recommend a choice other than 'collega' for 'member' of this (or any similar) group.

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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:59 pm

Salvete Omnes

To provide time for thoughtful discernment, voting on 'collegiarius' vs. 'collega' by Collegium Philosophiae members shall be open until the end of Tuesday, June 20, 2017.

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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Lucius Livius Seneca » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:20 pm

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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:27 pm

It does seem more specific, Livi. I think it is a peetty pretty good compromise. Sincerely, ANY ONE OF THESE TERMS could be used. So might as well be Socius. I vote UTI ROGAS ON SOCIUS.
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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:14 pm

Considering that Sextius Laevus called for a vote about "collegiarius" vs. "collega", I vote ANTIQVO, id est " collega".

But maybe Seneca's other options should be considered. It should be noted that the rare form "collegiarius" is not in his list.
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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:08 pm

I also vote ANTIQVO in Collegiarus, just for the record (if it wasn't implied by my vote on Socius)
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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Publius Sextius Laevus » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:38 am

Salvete Omnes

Per the motion on the floor I vote: Uti Rogas - for the use of 'Collegiarius' for 'member'

I commend Seneca for his research, but see no reason not to put this word to more use and make it our own. It is a legitimate Latin word that means exactly what we intend it to mean. The rarity of surviving examples is not necessarily an indication of the rarity of its use in classical speech. Please keep in mind that the nature of the Latin language lends itself to word morphing and invention.

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Re: Bylaws of the Collegium

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:55 am

Seneca's research should not simply be ignored. It is actually the definite scholarly answer to our debate. If this motion does not pass with majority, then all the options that Seneca found out should be considered.
Therefore ANTIQUO does not mean a vote for "collega", it simply means a rejection to the motion to adopt "collegiarius".

Rarity of surviving examples is of course not only a necessary, but even a sufficient indicator of rarity of its use. What else would be an indicator? This is a basic principle of inductive reasoning, i.e. the scientific method.
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